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[beled_el_djinn]

I view a lot of porn for work which is something I don't think I'd ever be able to say after abandoning my plans of setting up a porn site. Something I've noticed in all the sites I have to look over is that there seem to be only three* categories of porn site. 1) the kind that caters to straight men, 2) the kind that caters to gay men and 3) the kind that caters to both gay and straight men (although most of them segregate their selection so that there isn't much in the way of overlap). So something that has been sort of bugging me is why I don't see more sites geared toward straight and gay women? Is there just not a market for it? Have I just missed it in my years wandering teh internets? Or is it that most women who surf porn pull from the same three pools that the rest of us do?

*x-tube (WARNING, NSFW) sort of breaks this in that there is definitely content put up specifically for women, by men, but as far as I've seen, that is the only site that does this.

Comments

After the flesh!

[tashewolf.livejournal.com]

Okay, I am just absolutely dying that you would view a lot of porn for work.

I think it's been historically true that women just try to find the best out of what's available as they can. Mind you, this is probably true of many people whatever their gender and persuasion.

Reposted a related article on an eleet filter yesterday with the intent of writing something of my own latah; let me know if it's appropriate to offer you this eleet access.

Re: After the flesh!

[beled-el-djinn.livejournal.com]

A lot of our best customers are porn sites - they get a lot of fraud and thus love our product. One of the parts of my job is to review the sites applying for our services to see if they meet our criteria. I'll tell ya, the first time I had to call over one of my female co-workers and ask her about something on a site which was prominently showing an extreme closeup of some savage anal penetration was entirely too nerve wracking. I felt as though every womynist in the greater Boston area was going to storm the tower and drag me over to the common for a lynching the likes of which hasn't been seen since the last time Mary Dyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Dyer) partied there.

And I'd be totally down with your offer of eleet access as I likes teh innerestin articles, I does. That and I'm a total slacker chode who forgot to opt in when the opting in was offered.

Re: After the flesh!

[tashewolf.livejournal.com]

.....this comment was so well worth the price of admission here, there and anywhere. I mean just the image of business mingling with savage anal penetration slays me daid, sir.
Oh, and before I sleep, I should fix the actual technical part of access. And at some point I swear I'll write the part from my point of view I was meaning to write before I got onto the tangent of finding this particular article.

[funwithrage.livejournal.com]

There's a couple theories about this, of course...;)

Mine are threefold, in the best mystical tradition.

1) Society sucks where women and sex are concerned; women have been told that they shouldn't, or don't, like the pr0n, so they don't buy it, so there's not much market for it, so they don't buy it *more*...

2) Female sexual pleasure is less, um, visual/visceral than the male equivalent. Sure, women can show arousal, but it's way harder to tell if said arousal is genuine, and there's not the immediate visual of "Oh, that's *clearly* having an effect".

3) Somewhat relatedly, men in porn are from the narrow pool of guys who can get it up on camera, last for a long time, *and* get off in front of several people and the Viewers At Home. I don't know if this skill actually has a negative correlation with attractiveness, or if it just means that porn casting directors take what they can get. All I know is that the majority of men in porn are *fugly*.

The existence of cute men in gay porn may negate this, though. So might the fact that most mainstream porn women aren't what I would consider attractive, either, because Paris Hilton with bigger tits and three-inch-long fingernails doesn't do it for me (or, IMO, anyone sane)...so.

[funwithrage.livejournal.com]

I will also note, for the TMI-tastic record, that I generally either look for written porn or for, aheh, I would totally make the text size 8 on this if I knew how, x-rated fanart.

...I'll be Over Here.

*dies*

[psychotropek.livejournal.com]

PYRAMID HEAD DOES NOT CUDDLE.

[kiddens.livejournal.com]

You can make small text with the "font-size" style parameter...for next time you want to share your fan-art interest. :)

[beled-el-djinn.livejournal.com]

Heh. Now I know what to get you for your birthday...

[vogon999.livejournal.com]

I second the sentiment of guys in gay porn tend to be cuter. Watching two cute guys make out vs. watching one fugly guy screwing Paris Hilton? Much preference for the former.

[aumshantih.livejournal.com]

gay pr0n 4 teh win.

But seriously though, I agree with I about womyn not be socialized to like it. Also, it's also possible than men are more visusally fixated while women are more tactile/smell orientated.

[funwithrage.livejournal.com]

Smell is certainly a big factor in my choice of dudes to sleep with, and I don't just mean in the "goddammit, shower!" sense (though that's a GIFUCKINGNORMOUS factor in getting ruled out, let me tell you). If I like the way a guy smells* I'm way more likely to sleep with him than a guy who has it on paper but doesn't have the chemical *oomph.*


*And everything else passes inspection. Duh.

[psychotropek.livejournal.com]

Is that an electric sheep screencap?

I would say that there should be a "porn selected by women" movie night, but that might be too...hmm...awkward? ;)

[beled-el-djinn.livejournal.com]

I think the awkwardness would depend on what folks were expecting from such a night. I for one would be interested in seeing what kind of stuff the ladies were interested in, but certainly don't really have much interest in attending a circle jill jerk with a bunch of my friends. So if it were kind of like a 'porn club' night where there was discussion about the videos, that could certainly be interesting.

[beled-el-djinn.livejournal.com]

Oh come on! Ron Jeremy is a total stu... Okay, I can't even complete that sentence without wanting to puke. Dear god, why were all the male porn stars in my formative years so ugly?

[shatterdaymorn.livejournal.com]

Re: Fugly guys

I think fugly guys are more common in motion picture/video/internet porn. That is where you need the guy that can get off hundreds of times. Photographic guy-on-girl porn usually involves the non fugly.

[beled-el-djinn.livejournal.com]

Actually, I often wonder if the ugly guy thing is also for the benefit of all the male viewers. There is something to be said for the thought process of "if a hideous troll like that can get some tail, then so can I!" Not that it helps in most cases, but some folks can use every bit of confidence boost they can get.

[funwithrage.livejournal.com]

Heh. And as someone who gets hit on by the aforementioned hideous trolls...yeah, this is the one place where I'll say porn has a negative impact on society. There need to be disclaimers: "These women are getting paid. Do not try this at home. Chicks don't dig you."

But I do actually think the ugly guy thing is partly about that. That, the performance deal, and avoiding the ever-present straight male fear of ZOMG finding someone with a penis even marginally attractive.

[beled-el-djinn.livejournal.com]

1) But do you see that changing? I mean, look at how much more woman-centric/friendly a lot of the sex industry is becoming. Looking at just the evolution of many sex toy shops in the past couple of decades, you can definitely see a shift in the target audience and their marketing approach.

2) True, but with the invention of viagra and it's theoretical presence in the porn industry, can any arousal be said to be genuine? ;P Now I'm going to have to re-watch the one lesbian porn (directed by lesbians) I have to see how they work in the arousal bit and deal with the less visually oriented question.

3) See my comment to shatterdaymorn for part of my thoughts on this. Also, quite often, the cute guys in gay porn are nominally straight. Gay porn pays better than straight porn for guys, so if you want to make the mad cake and you are a guy, then the choice is somewhat obvious. Presuming, of course, that you don't mind teh geigh secks, that is. But yeah, I'm not sure the the fugly guy/Paris Hilton scenario does it for anyone. Unless, maybe it was some sort of humiliation/prison video. That could be kind of hawt. The lap dance is always better when the heiress stripper is crying, after all.

[funwithrage.livejournal.com]

1) I think the socialization is changing, yeah. It'll probably be a while before market forces make the pr0n catch up, especially due to the factors below.

Also, for whatever reason, women who want porn (or at least the porn-lovin' straight women that I know of) seem to be more into the fanfic/fanart aspects. I don't like the "women want an emotional connection and a story and touchy-feely blah blah blah" aspect, nor do I think it's true, so I'm not sure what the story is there.

2) Hee, yeah. Plus, the guys could be-and probably are-thinking of someone else during.

3) I suppose there are, theoretically, people out there who find La Hilton attractive. I don't understand them, but...yeah.

On the other hand, I take a certain gleeful joy in the idea of P.Hilton in a humiliation fuck. But that's because I'm mean and wrong.

[psychotropek.livejournal.com]

I think most women who surf porn end up pulling from the kind that caters to men. I still think it's less socially acceptable for women to demand that they want porn and they want it to cater to them, and they are willing to work with marketing departments on this.

[beled-el-djinn.livejournal.com]

But do you think this is something that will change? Sure it may be less socially acceptable for women to demand their porn of choice, but looking at our generation vs. our parent's generation, comparatively, it is more socially acceptable for, say, you to demand teh pr0n, than say, your mother to do so. Presumably, in another generation or two, there should be more of a market for woman centric porn.